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Q&A with Mark Bram about Yeung (Yang) style Taijiquan and  Lee Wah Yook Qi Quan April 2003

Introduction by Michael Paritee

 
 
 

 

I have been fascinated by the martial arts since I was 10 years old.  The idea that it was possible to train your body to perform unbelievable feats was the initial hook for me, but it has been the improvement of my mental and physical being that has maintained this fascination for over 30 years. I began my martial arts training as most people did in the seventies by taking karate. 

I trained very hard for years until finally I obtained my black belt in Tae Kwon Do in 1978.  I had achieved my cherished goal, but to my surprise I found no satisfaction in this accomplishment. I sought answers to questions I could not articulate, so I began my search by training in various styles: Jeet Kune Do, Muay Thai, Wing Chun, Aikido and Hsing-I. 

However, it was not until 1995 that I experienced taijiquan, while attending a Wu Style taijiquan seminar with Sifu Wen Mei Yu.  I enjoyed the flowing motion and power that was suggested in the set and the sword form.  I followed up this introduction by training in Yang Style taijiquan in New York where I completed the long form and began to experience the health benefits so often associated with taijiquan.  I also understood that my training was only scratching the surface of what was possible with taijiquan.

Two short years later I had to begin my search again, because of a career move to Providence, Rhode Island.  It was there I met Sifu Mark Bram.  I spoke to him about continuing my training in Yang Style taijiquan, but it was clear from the start that this sifu would be different from anyone I had trained with before.  Sifu Bram talked and moved differently than my previous instructors; he discussed the form, health benefits, power and martial applications as all being an integral part of taijiquan. It was Sifu Bram’s ability to demonstrate the power and flexibility of Yang (Yeung) Style taijiquan that blew me away.  The way he applied taijiquan it was explosive, elusive and impossible to counter. There was no pre-configured positions or applications; every movement flowed seamlessly, just like in the Yang form.  

I have experienced many martial art applications from various styles (Wing Chun, Kenpo, Kickboxing), but few have left me confused after the experience.   I attacked him with all of my best techniques – he countered them all with ease by just touching me and responding to my intent.  This exhibition illustrated his skill as a martial artist; however, it also proved that my search was almost over.  I heard several testimonials from students of how Sifu Bram had enriched their lives.  Some had physical limitation from arthritis that were removed from training in taijiquan, others had stress or other burdens that were put into perspective by “living in the moment” as Sifu Bram reminds them to do regularly.   Finally it was his desire to pass on taijiquan as he had learned it from his Sifu Lee Wah Yook, unfiltered with the principles intact, which re-initiated my training in this unique martial art of taijiquan. Based on my experiences with Sifu Bram I thought it was important for him to share his unique insights on taijiquan with a larger audience.  It was this common desire by all of his students that convinced him to allow me to tape a recent question and answer session. Here is the transcript of that session. 


Mike: Explain why other martial arts tend to use preset forms to teach applications where in tai chi we tend to just learn to flow with it and be at ease, or however you want to choose to explain it.
Mark: Well, I don’t know why they do it, I just know why we don’t do it. In a real situation, you are not using a preset form, and we feel that using a preset form gets you into trouble.  In most  other styles, especially hard styles, you are told that when somebody punches you, you block, then you strike. Not everybody is going to hit you like that; they are not going to hold out their arm while you do your cute technique and by the time you scroll through your dictionary of techniques, you’re going to get hit.
Taijiquan endeavors to teach you how to be a natural fighter by possessing all these elements: a natural fighter is relaxed and they don’t think. They have a lot of power and they are very fast. We teach you how to move. First of all you learn the set. You train your legs. Because you are doing a real taijiquan set, where you’re using a low stance and your knee is over you toe, your chi is sunk, so you’re training your dan tien , where you keep your chi. You’re training your chi by moving it, by having intent. By that I mean the intent to strike. But you need to be relaxed. It’s the idea of power but you’re not using muscle. But you have that idea, that intent to strike, so your mind is moving your body, and your body is moving your chi, so you’re actually exercising your chi. Whereas in a lot of taijiquan that are out there, which are just for health, you see them do “brush knee twist step” and it’s just this very graceful, flowing movement. But when we do “brush knee twist step,” we have the intent to block very low either a hand or a foot strike to the groin. When we’re striking, we have the intent to strike the ribs or the chest (there are at least five  or more different applications to every hand movement, but it is teaching you how to move). What is happening is: because you’re using it as a block and as a strike, your spine is in line, your chin is tilted down, like your crown is being held by a string (as it says in the classics), so your throat is protected and because you’re slightly tilted your energy goes up to your head and can go down again, your chi is sunk, your knee is over your toe so there won’t be any knee injuries, and you actually have the intent to strike so you are using your chi.


 
  So the relaxation that people are looking for is so much more profound when you do Taijiquan as it was invented, as a martial art, as opposed to just an empty dance movement.  If people get  value out of any taijiquan they do, that’s fine. But I’m explaining to you why this works and why the relaxation is much more profound, because you’re doing it as it was invented, as a martial art.
At the beginning stages you’re training your legs, you’re training your dan tien, you’re training  your intent, you’re letting your energy flow because the tongue is to the roof of your mouth and your head is in line, your chest is hollow and shoulders and elbows are low so your spine is in line. Then we do push hands. We do fixed push hands where you stand in a forward stance facing each other. You’re not using technique and you’re not trying to push somebody up or off balance. You are trying to move another person with your chi, with your bioelectric energy. You are trying to affect how another person feels and send them back, and be as relaxed as possible.
 
     
  When I train my students here and they’re doing this I watch them, and I’ll tell them “you’re pushing up. He may be moving but you’re not using your chi, you’re using technique”. I want to make sure that they are not using technique. Technique may be fine in a fight but, not to train your chi. It is very frustrating. It takes a long time to get through this, as you people know. You get really frustrated, but when it happens, the glimpses that some of you people at an advanced level have had, you think “I really do need to relax, and it will work”.
It’s amazing.  It goes through stages as a lot of you who have been with me for years have seen.  There’s the stage where you have this amazing explosion of energy, and people fly across the room and hit the wall hard. As some of you know, we had to eventually put up a pad because I almost sent somebody to the hospital. He hit the wall so hard and got whacked with so much chi, bouncing back off of the wood wall, that he was white and shaking for twenty minutes. I centered his energy and he was fine but we use a big pad now.
Then it eventually gets to the point where you see what I’m doing now, where you just lay your hands on someone and they just want to go to sleep, or they just have nothing, they have no power. You affect how they feel, which I think is much more effective than slamming someone and that crosses over into healing as well. So now you’ve gotten to that level, you have this power, you can send this power, you can move people, you can root.
 
     
  And remember, when you do push hands the idea of this is not to root so no one can move you, that’s against what tai chi is. Taijiquan or tai chi chuan means “Grand Ultimate Boxing”, boxing based on The Grand Ultimate, the Yin­Yang symbol, duality: you do not meet force with force. You yield to force. So you’re not going to stand there immovable as somebody tries to move you, you are going to yield to his or her force. But when you strike somebody, you want to stay where you are and you don’t want to move. So you want to be able to root when you strike somebody and to issue energy. So, you learn how to do that, then the next step is to do “sticky hands”. The way we do sticky hands is so relaxed. You’re facing one another, you are sticking at the wrists, moving in a circular motion redirecting as the other person is trying to strike you and they redirect as you strike them. Both people are doing everything they can to strike and to not get hit, so it is constantly changing, constantly mutating with a relaxed flowing movement, like yin­yang, so you are actually creating moves (strikes and defenses) as you do the exercises. That makes you a natural fighter. When the time comes for you to defend yourself, you don’t move until the last minute, you are quick, you have power, and you don’t think about what you are doing, you create it at the moment, using the principles of taijiquan that you learned.
One of the principles of the philosophy of tai chi is that you don’t move until the strike is so close that the other person can’t do anything about it, they have committed totally and you know what your options are at that moment. That translates to how you live. If you worry about things that you think are going to happen, and they don’t happen, you worried for nothing. If they do happen, you are too stressed out from worrying to deal with it. Better to wait and see what happens. At the last possible moment you will see what your options are (in nature they seem to always be changing) and decide what to do in a calm relaxed manner based on your options at that moment. As odd as it is, the philosophy of the taijiquan martial art teaches you how to live and how to look  at things. Obviously you don’t want to fight, and the philosophy that I just talked about enforces that ideal. If you wait until the last minute and don’t commit, it may be defused and you may never have to fight. When you square off with someone in a fighting stance, not only do you give a clue as to what you are going to do, you force someone (who doesn’t follow the ideals of tai chi) to fight with you, because of the social behavior of not wanting to lose face in a fight.
 
 
 
  Steve: Why does the act of “sinking,” when you’re striking or kicking, generate so much more power, as opposed to not sinking your chi?
Mark: There’s a lot to that and it goes into advanced levels. On a very basic physical level: when you strike someone, and you sink and you’re heavy, they’re going and you’re not. As you move up to advanced levels: when you sink and you strike and you squeeze your Dan Tien like a sponge, like a ball, it lets the energy out with your strike. When you get to even higher levels, you can sink and bounce it down to your foot and back up and out or you can send it send it spiraling out. There are so many different levels and ways use your Chi. That’s why I’m so surprised when I see articles or hear people talking about how so and so had their foot at this many degrees angle when they pushed hands in one picture but it was different in another. And wondering which way it was supposed to be. It is not done only one way. There are so many different ways to do this. It is a constantly changing art and, in a fight you need to adapt to what’s happening. There is not only one­way to issue energy. You can be very powerful just standing there with your feet side by side if you have trained long and hard enough. You can issue energy sitting or laying. If you are unlucky enough to get knocked down and you are being grappled, taijiquan is the ultimate weapon. All you have to do is touch someone the right way and they will let go of you. So, in that situation you have to issue energy from a laying position. When you get to certain level, you are  always training your chi just by living and you can issue it from any position. It’s in the beginning when you need to do stance training and chi gong to train the ability do this (actually it’s always good to do stance training and chi gong). People get mired in dogma and it doesn’t allow them to grow. The principles need to remain the same. That’s what makes it taijiquan. You have to stick to the principles of the classics and make sure that your form adheres to those principles. You shouldn’t adjust the principles to make excuses for your form. I’ve heard people do that, when asked why they move a certain way that’s contrary to the classics, and I feel that is wrong. They should be saying to themselves: “Gee, my elbow and shoulder is kind of high and  I’m exposing my ribs and my lymph nodes, and the principles say that it should be this particular way, and I’m kind of not doing that. Maybe I should re­examine this.” You should always go back to the source. A lot of it is common sense and anatomy as to why, if you angle your foot too  much out, you are going to fall. The principles keep your form in check, but taijiquan is a vast, open, evolving art. It always has been. Let’s face it, there used to be basic postures, then it got  huge, and now a lot of people have scaled it down. I think that it is meant to be a “way” of fighting and living. And that means that it should be vast and open and yet, in following the Dao,  common sense and simplicity should prevail.
Jon: Is that why when you adjust our form just a little bit, it feels different and makes the move more coherent and effective?
Mark: Yeah, that’s why you have “corrections.” If you move your hand or foot just a little the energy changes and the application changes. Your spine is more in line, your energy can flow through your meridians more freely. You know that, the way we teach here is, you learn the form. And I try, to the best of my ability, to teach it to you right. But, you will only process a certain amount of that information. If I kept you on one move until you did it perfectly, you would never get through this form. So you get through the form doing the best you can and then you go into corrections where you hone your form and recover the pieces you either lost, or didn’t get the first time.
 
     
  Let’s say that you were a prodigy and you got it perfect the first time, the way I taught it to you, and you trained really hard. Well, now your legs are stronger, now we’re going to change things.  You’re going to do lower stances you’re going to bring your hands in closer and have more of an understanding of the martial aspect of the art. I always teach you with the martial aspect in mind,  
     
  I just don’t tell you in the beginning because I want you to relax and forget about what you
“think” power is. There are so many ways to do the set. There are high, medium, and low stances. There is large, medium, and small frame (hand movements and their proximity to the body). And you can have any combination of these. And these are good things to train and know, but I’ll tell you, when you’re actually in a fight, you’re not getting really low, unless you’re grappling and ground fighting. And that’s probably something I should address here. Your average hard stylist has no idea how amazing taijiquan is against grappling. A lot of grappling requires the other person to be rigid and put up a fight, but that’s against tai chi philosophy. And in taijiquan, if someone with strong chi can touch you, it’s pretty much over. If someone is grappling and trying to subdue you there are places to touch where they will let go of you. taijiquan is, by nature, in­fighting. So when someone breaks our space and is in close, we are in our element.
To get back to the stances, in a real situation, it usually happens very fast and out of nowhere. So, you will probably be standing as you normally do (hopefully with your shoulders low, elbows low, chest hollow, tongue to the roof of your mouth, and energy sunk to your dan tien in a  leisurely fashion), and you’ll have to react in a fluid relaxed manner, very quickly. Believe me, you’re not going to get all flowery and use low large stances. That will probably get you hurt. You need to go through the different levels to understand this. For instance: When you come for a lesson, I teach you a movement. When you come again, I teach you another. As you progress, you string the movements together. And, invariably, when I get a new student who thinks that they know something about taijiquan, they tell me that they have read that all the moves are supposed to flow together. It’s true. But, in the beginning, you have to learn it separately. You have to learn where your balance points are, you have to learn where your end points are, and you have to learn where you issue energy for the strike. You need to understand this. So, when you get to a higher level and it’s all connected, to the layman watching it, they have no idea what’s going on. It just looks like one graceful flowing movement. But to a teacher or you people, who know, one can see the energy strike at one point and yield at another. It’s all connected, but it all has power and endpoints hidden in the moves.
 
     
  Tony: We talked about intent before. Why is it so important in this style of Martial Art?
Mark: The classics say: The yi moves the li, the li moves the chi. The mind moves the physical, the physical moves your energy. You have to have intent. Without it, it’s just an empty movement. Without intent you don’t move your energy.
Steve: You mentioned that you don’t care for weapons forms, yet at advanced levels you teach them. How is that beneficial to us?
Mark: As you know, I’m not a big fan of weapons, but I’m teaching them to my advanced students who have been with me eight to ten years now. My Sifu always said to me: “learn how to use your hands and your energy, then anything in your hand becomes a weapon.” He wasn’t a fan of flowery things that weren’t effective. It had to work. As you know, some of the weapons forms that I’m teaching you have been streamlined and tested to make sure that they work and that you won’t hurt yourself. Let’s face it, you’re not going to walk around with a sword or a staff, that would be kind of goofy, but if someone attacks you with a weapon and you see something that you can pick up (a stick, broom handle, jacket, etc.) you can use it as a weapon. We also do a lot of training on how to send your energy into an object so that it becomes an extension of you.
As you know your first experience here with weapons was doing staff drills where you learn how to send your energy into a staff. Doing drills trying to make the staff vibrate. Doing stances on both sides
 
 

We use white waxwood staffs. They have a very organic feel. We also make sure that they are thick and heavy. Then we did some strikes while moving and so on. And if you remember, I showed you strikes against a weighted object so you could see how to strike, be relaxed, use energy, and not hurt your wrist or fingers. You have to make sure that when you strike you will be rooted, you won’t feel jarred, you won’t hurt your back or you wrist. You need to be in a position to send your energy and to strike with efficiency. I want it to be effective as well as a good learning tool. In the sword form, I start you out on wood before you graduate to metal. All the movements would actually work and you are using energy, moving closely (not big movements), and using everything that you learn from taijiquan. You’re learning chops, slashes, stabs etc. while you are using movements from the form. I know it sounds gruesome, but after all, it is a sword and you are learning how to use one, not dance. This is just for learning purposes and tradition. You are not going to travel around with a sword, you are learning how to get your energy into a weapon so that it is an extension of your hands.
John: You speak of achieving certain levels. Can you speak about the importance of reaching certain levels before you move on and how do you know when someone is ready to move on?

 
 

Mark: There are many different levels in taijiquan and it’s related training. As you know, I will not teach you standing meditation until you are at a certain level in your training and at a certain point in your life. The way that we do the form is very strong, and it’s like chi gong. A lot of the more “tai chi for health’ that’s out there supplement their tai chi chuan with chi gong. This form, done right makes you feel as though you have done strong chi gong. The chi gong and standing meditation that we do is so strong that I won’t let you do it until you have been with me for a long time, have trained hard, worked on your personality, and are grounded in your life. It can make you feel crazy if you are not grounded. That’s why I take exception with people who try to teach  these secrets and other techniques in books. I feel that it’s irresponsible. Any real teacher knows that you can’t learn these things from a book. You can actually get hurt if you do this wrong. You’re built differently than she is, she is built differently than he is. Everybody has different  personalities, everybody has a different way that they inherently move their energy and the teacher has to discern this when they teach, and teach to the individual. Otherwise the student can get hurt. So, the teacher has to know if the student is ready to go on at this point, are they strong enough inside, are they strong enough outside. You need a good teacher who can guide you, and adjust the teaching to your personality, body type, and disposition. A teacher who, if you do something wrong and hurt yourself, they can fix it. And, just as important, can judge if you are ready to receive this knowledge.


 
  As you know, when I started to teach Barbara, because of her arthritis, she could barely stand in a  stance. I had to adjust the form for her until she got stronger. Now she does single whip creeps down and the kicks with no problem. And between the taijiquan, the acupuncture, and the herbs, she has been off all her arthritis medication for some time now. So, your personality affects your taijiquan, and your taijiquan affects your personality. As to which one comes first, that depends on the individual. Hopefully the body movements will teach you how to look at things differently and get you to a different mindset. On the other side, if you embrace the philosophy and the  mindset comes sooner, that will help you in the way that you move and do the form. Like the yin yang symbol, these elements constantly mutate and give and take from one another and help to make you a balanced individual. A teacher has a lot of criteria to consider, as to when a student moves on. Are their legs strong enough to get lower and change the form? Do they have an understanding of where they are before they are given something else to ponder? Are they at a point to process the information or receive the information?  
  As you know, I like you to get this on your own. Meaning that, I like to guide you. And have you say: “you know… I was doing this, and this particular thing happened, and it felt amazing.” And if what you said is the way you are supposed to feel, then I know you got it. It’s not me telling you that if you do this, this thing will happen, because then you can talk yourself into feeling something that isn’t there, or pretending that you feel it. I don’t want to tell you what you’re going to feel, I want you to tell me what you’re feeling. Then I’ll know if you’re ready to go on. You need to make your inside strong, you need to get your outside strong, and you have to train your mind, and that dictates as to when you are ready to move on. It’s not: you come, you pay me, and when you’ve trained this long, you move on to this. It’s not that way. Everybody is at a different level, everybody learns at a different speed, it’s not about ego. You don’t go to church, synagogue, or temple and say: “when do I meet G­D, when am I done?” You go because it makes you feel good. It is a way of life. That is what the practice of taijiquan should be. It is a philosophy, it is a way of life. You do this because it makes you feel good. Not because you want  to beat somebody up, or you want to be this amazing mystical person. You go because you want to realize some of the potential that we have as human beings. And you go because it makes you a better human being. It makes you feel good and it makes everyone around you feel good. Ripples in the pond.
Mike: I have a follow up. Putting aside the different levels, is there a limit to what you can reach in taijiquan?
Mark: No
 
  Everyone: (laughs)
Mark: That’s the short answer. The reason that I say that is: taijiquan is the culmination of so many generations worth of art. Life changes, people change, and we discover things all the time. I’ve been doing this for twenty­three years and I’m still learning as I teach you. As I watch you move, I sometimes see things that I didn’t see before. I see alternative applications in the form. Maybe they are applications that existed from the start, but have been lost. And maybe because I’m sitting with an empty, calm mind, watching you, they are rediscovered.
Some years ago I was interviewing a prospective (soon to be) student. I asked him to tell me about himself. After a litany of achievements he told me that he thought that he was enlightened. And I gave him a look and said: “the fact that you think you’re enlightened, and told me that, probably means you’re not. He asked me if I thought that I was enlightened. I said: “no, my head is just not filled with junk (not the word I used), so I see things a little more clearly without all the stuff in the way.” If you calm your mind and relax, answers will come to you when you’re not even looking for them. It’s easy to listen, and actually hear, when your mind’s not chattering all the time. It’s amazing. Sometimes you people will ask me a question, and I’ll answer it like I’ve known the answer all me life, and then think: “I have no idea where that came from.” These observations in taijiquan are good as long as you follow and stay with the principles and the tradition. I remember performing in a demonstration in Boston’s Chinatown with my Sifu (Sifu Lee Wah Yook). Afterward we were watching a demo done by well­respected Chinese tai chi chuan sifu. I noticed that he wasn’t doing what Sifu had taught me about balance and power. So, I asked Sifu why. He told me that it is common for a student to take from a sifu and not have all of the knowledge transmitted (either because the Sifu was saving it for his son, or that the student left too soon). Then that is repeated when the student starts to teach and so on. Eventually, a lot gets lost.
 
     
 

Sifu felt that it was important for the art to carry on. There were sifus in Chinatown that were not happy that Sifu was passing on all this knowledge to me. What they didn’t know was, I was the bank. He passed on this knowledge to me so that I could teach his son and so that this knowledge wouldn’t die with him if his son didn’t want to learn (which he does, I’m still teaching him). It upset him that so much had been lost over the years and he was very much into reconstructing it.  If you listen, as I said before, and you know the history and where it came from, it comes back.
Taijiquan is a very commonsense art. If you stick with the principles, what the classics tell you to do, and you follow the Dao, it makes sense. You don’t do these giant flowery movements exposing your ribs and lymph nodes. Common sense will tell you: “I’m going to get killed.” You follow the principles. You keep your shoulders and elbows low, chest hollow, tongue to the roof of the mouth, try not to go over the shoulder, high and low, open and closed, empty and full, and so on. If you know these things and you do something wrong, you will know and tell yourself that somehow you must have gotten out of line. That’s why I don’t stand up in front of the class and have you imitate me, I teach you all individually. A lot of times a student will imitate the teacher and not get it right (maybe their hand is to high). Then if they eventually teach, their student might do the same, and on, and on, until it is hugely out of whack.


 
  .Barbara: Outside of the martial art part, can you tell us how you use tai chi in your daily life, how it effects your daily life?
Mark: Like everyone, my life is not devoid of drama, pain, or adversity. I’ve had terrible times in my life and ten years ago I went through a messy divorce and custody battle, and it wasn’t pretty. During this time, it was very trying for me. In order to keep my son, I needed to focus and stay calm, or I would fall apart and that would be it. The philosophy of tai chi allowed me to go  outside and feel connected with everything. It made me feel glad to be alive and a part of that energy. Even in my misery, at that time, I could find peace by being in that moment with the sun  shining and a warm breeze blowing through the trees and feel happy to be a part of it all. Another aspect of using it in daily life is: if you can send energy to hurt, you should also be able to use it to heal and help. As a lot of my students know, there have been times when they have come to me with chronic pain and I’ve helped them to get rid of it, through the use of my energy, moving their energy, and teaching them how to use their own energy to help themselves. If I move your energy and you learn how it feels, you can, in certain instances, take off the training wheels and help yourself. Even from an emotional standpoint, I’ve had people come to me with depression and panic attacks and through the use of chi and learning how to look at things, learn that ultimately you are responsible for how you feel and you can feel the way you want. You teach them how to recognize patterns and not spiral out of control. You ultimately have control. You can dwell on things that happened in the past or you can decide that you have had enough of this  and move on. I’m sure everyone has experienced a break up and, after it happened, they talked about it incessantly until one day, as they were talking, a little voice in their head said: “shut up!” They had enough and decided that they didn’t want to feel like that anymore. You know I always say you have to be here now, and there will be times when you will say: “I’m here now, and I feel miserable.” And that’s ok, because things will change and then you won’t be. It’s ok to feel it, but then you have to eventually let it go. Tai chi is very much cognitive therapy.
 
     
 

Steve: How do you think that you’ve changed as a teacher since you first began?
Mark: I’ve learned to listen more. And I’ve evolved and my energy has evolved. I remember when Sifu was still alive and I was training my push hands. My deltoids and triceps were so tired. I kept hearing his voice in my head telling me to push without muscle and I had no idea how to do this. Finally I had nothing left and I just sunk and threw my hands forward and the guy went flying and slammed into the wall. Everyone came rushing over to see what happened. So, I got the clue then. Eventually it became consistent and I learned to send people flying and as I mentioned before, after I pasted Brian on the wall we started to use a pad

 
     
  I know that some people say it’s not traditional to use a pad, but I’d like my students to live. They only use the pad when they push with me. So, I used to think that this was the end all be all until people said that it felt like they were getting shocked with electricity. Then I thought that that was the best level. Now I’m at the level where you touch people and they feel as though they don’t want to do anything except relax. I love that! I don’t have to expend tons of energy and people smile at me, and are happy and unafraid, and they just don’t want to push anymore. What better way to avoid a fight than to make someone happy.  
     
  Mike: How did you meet Sifu Lee?
Mark: As you people know, I’m a musician and I have a band. In 1979 I was recording my first record and to make some extra money, I was delivering beef (hinds and forequarters) to butcher shops and provisions to restaurants. One of my stops was my Sifu’s Chinese restaurant. I had heard that he was an amazing Gung Fu Sifu who could bend swords with his throat and had fingers like steel. I was very impressed. I had done other arts before, but I always had such a desire to learn the “real thing.” So, I severely “brown nosed”: “Mister Lee, can I move this bag of rice for you? Can I put the pork in the cooler for you?” I was really sucking up, I’ll admit it. My boss, unbeknownst to me, had been saying to Sifu: “Oh, Mark really wants to learn kung fu.” So, one day as I’m delivering, he’s chopping bok choy and asks me: “You know Chinese gung  fu?” I told him that I didn’t, but that I had always wanted to. He said: “You wait in the corner, I talk to you.” I waited in the corner with my hands respectfully folded in front of me for almost an hour. I could have lost my job. After a time he came up to me and said: “You come outside, I show you something.” We went out into the parking lot and he put me into this ridiculous stance and walked away. Twenty minutes later he came back. I was sweating, shaking, and my legs felt like spaghetti. He said: “You come back next week and I show you something else.” And then he went back inside. Every week we did something similar until he started bringing me inside the restaurant to teach me. Flash forward in time to his funeral. I was a pall bearer. His son, Billy, came up to me and said: “Remember when my father used to have you out in the parking lot? He used to come in and say ‘I got this crazy American kid outside. I keep trying to get rid of him by giving him things that are too hard to do, but he keeps doing them. I can’t find Chinese that dedicated. I’m going to have to teach him.’” Billy and I are family now. He calls me his older brother.
After about a year of training in Sil Lum and training techniques from the Fu Hok Tai He Morn  system I developed hypoglycemia (low blood sugar). I told Sifu what I had, and that I felt like I was going crazy. He said: “I teach you taiji.” I said: “tai chi? That’s old men in the park stuff!” He said: “Oh yeah? You try to push me.” So, I got in a push hands stance and I, Mister beef lifter who was hoisting 200lbs of beef at a time on one shoulder, tried to knock this skinny old man over. He stood on one leg and I couldn’t move him. I tried everything and he just laughed at me. Then he said: “I push you now.” So, I got low like a football player, he touched me, gave a little push, and I felt electricity hit me in the chest and I went flying off my feet into the cooler. Like a true American I said: “I slipped, let me try again.” The same thing happened. I was sold.  Consequently, he did many things that blew me away. He once told me to punch him in the face hard and fast, and before I knew it, he had deflected my punch and had my gland in his fingers and my eye was tearing. I once asked him what a certain move was for and he instructed me to strike him in the testicles. I asked him: “Really hard?” He said: “Yeah.” And he smiled. So, I did.
 
     
 

Nothing! He laughed at me. It felt like I hit bone. He said: “I pull them up.” It blew me away. He told me that he’d teach me but I declined, telling him I liked them where they were, thank you. I had no idea that taijiquan was this ultimate fighting art because, especially at that time, not many people in America had ever seen that aspect of it before. He was of a mind that this will die unless people learn how to do it. And if it doesn’t work, it has no use for him.

 
  John: Do you feel that the American’s drive to achieve actually holds them back in tai chi?
Mark: Yes. It’s a dichotomy because the desire to be good at this and to be a better person drives you to try hard. And you do need to, not kill yourself, but be diligent and train hard. But, you can’t do it with a timetable or be focused on reaching an end. There is no end. You can’t get frustrated because you are gauging your progress and you are not where you think you should be. Frustration will hinder your progress. You need to stay calm, train hard and not look for an end. Enjoy the process of doing it. If you are on a bike ride and all you think about is the end, you miss  all the scenery along the way. It’s not the end, it’s the journey. Getting to the end is no fun, it’s the experience of the journey. That’s what I’m trying to get you guys to do with the form. Don’t think ahead to the next move, experience every single nuance of what you’re doing now. You  want to be so relaxed and in the now that you can feel the air on your hand and feel the energy issue from your palm. You actually have to feel every little movement. That’s what makes you a good boxer later on. You have to feel what the other person is doing and not move until the very last minute. You have to be so relaxed, and so sensitive, and so “in the moment” that everything slows down. So, as I said, enjoy the journey.
Mike: What is the difference between taijiquan and Lee Wah Yook Qi Quan?
Mark: Being that Sifu taught this to me and experimented on me by designing this system around my strengths, I named it after him. Lee Wah Yook Qi Quan means Lee Wah Yook’s Ultimate Boxing. When I demonstrated this in front of the World Headfounders Council, they wanted a name, so I paid tribute to Sifu by immortalizing his name in thanks for the gift of this knowledge. When I first started learning from Sifu, I learned gung fu and then straight traditional Yeung 
(Yang) family taijiquan. After many years, as I was becoming adept, Sifu would tell me that he was going to teach me “iron palm” but he wanted me to do it like tai chi. He would teach me Shaolin forms and Fu Hok Tai He Morn training techniques but, tell me to do them very relaxed like taiji. He was adding gung fu training into my taijiquan training, but done soft, flowing, and issuing energy. As you know taijiquan evolved from fung fu and made soft by Chang San Feng to follow his Daoist beliefs. An extremely effective fighting art that followed the way of nature, the philosophy of the Dao and made the spirit body strong and the physical body healthy and long lived. So, Sifu adding these techniques, kind of made a throw back to the idea of the original taijiquan. Taijiquan used to be very explosive, but a lot has been lost and watered down over the years. I teach you people traditional Yeung (Yang) taijiquan. My advanced students who have been with me and remained loyal for many years start to learn the training techniques of Lee Wah Yook Qi Quan. The taijiquan form is not changed in anyway, but the mindset is changed. Knowing where this came from and the motives behind the moves gives you a greater understanding of taijiquan. My advanced students start to learn why you move that way and why it works. By learning where it came from and about the animal techniques gives you a greater understanding of where the minds of the people who created this art were at that time in history. The difference is that you are flowing and relaxed and you don’t use preconception like they do in hard styles.
 
     
  Mike: Mark, I’ve seen “sticky hands” in other arts like Wing Chung, and Kali, How does it differ from what you do in your form of taiji?  
     
 

Mark: The sticky hands that we do in this system is so utterly, totally, relaxed or it doesn’t work. Other systems try to set you up, they are thinking and plotting, it’s like a chess game. In this you are totally empty and listening to the other person’s energy. You don’t strike until you have a relaxed, unimpeded opening. You are attached to them, sticking to them, so lightly. You are not putting weight on them, you are just listening to their energy, so the slightest little movement redirects their energy. You are feeling what they’re doing and becoming so attuned to their energy. You learn to send your energy into them and make them feel confused by overloading them. Just like the set, there are different ways to train this. You can go very slow and circular, you can do it at a medium speed. You can do it very fast mixing circular and linear moves. You can also barely move at all. This really teaches you how to fight because someone is in your face and you are creating the moves as they happen. My saying for sticky hands is: “You think, you die.” If you think while you are doing sticky hands, you will get hit. You have to be empty. A good practitioner of this will be listening to you energy and, as soon as you start thinking, they are going to be aware and take that opportunity to strike you. Because they know you are not present anymore. You really need to be in the moment when you do sticky hands.

Mark Bram studied Yeung (Yang) Style tai chi chuan with the late Sifu Lee Wah Yook (former President of the New England branch of the Eastern United States Kung Fu Federation), for 12 years one on one, in the back of his Chinese Restaurant. Mark was Sifu Lee’s senior student, and after his passing in 1991, inherited the Lee Wah Yook Qi Quan system. This system uses Yeung Style tai chi chuan as a basis, and then adds various training forms of other Chinese gung fu
(Shaolin, Fu Hok Tai He Morn) and He Gung [Chi Kung (standing meditation and internal power training)]. These training techniques are done in an internal martial arts style, which combine to form a system that more closely resembles the “old style” taijiquan. Students learn traditional Yeung (Yang) Family tai chi chuan. After many years, advanced students begin to learn Lee Wah Yook Qi Quan training methods. Mark has trained in this system for over 23 years.  Sifu Lee  learned Yeung (Yang) Style tai chi chuan from Chu Gin Soon and Yeung Sau Chung, and learned Fu Hok Tai He Morn from Kwong Tit Fu. He also was trained from childhood in Sil Lum 
(Shaolin) gung fu. After Sifu Lee’s death, the family passed the system on to Mark and he named the system after Sifu Lee. Lee Wah Yook Qi Quan (pronounced Lee•Wä•Yook•Kee•Koown) means “Lee Wah Yook’s Chi Fist” or “Lee Wah Yook’s Chi Boxing”.

Mark teaches at his school Internal Arts, located at 999 Main St. in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. .
Mark has also been the lead guitarist and vocalist for the rock band Ruby Topaz, since 1983

 
 

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